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rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans punish e speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they have been very, very strong about do not touch the entitlements, we're not going to move on this. so you have the president not moving on rates. you h
rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones...
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boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to raise tax rates and also take the deductions, the closing of tax deductions and upping the ante, he feels if he doesn't give, doesn't demand that, he's looking at a tie of tax revenue down the line. >> paul: he's raised the ante, not 800 billion, but 1.6 trillion. he's got the rest from deductions, but that's a huge revenue hit. >> first, a huge revenue hit, but that's what the president wants. i think what he really wants is tone act the tax rate increases and make them permanent. there's a kind of conventional wisdom that we'll do these things and sometime next year, and even the president says we'll
boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to...
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cantor is worried -- excuse me, not cantor, boehner is worried about not being reelected as speaker of the house. they can't vote on that until january 4th with the new congress on that. cantor wants that job. so i think boehner's going to press for a deal, i think he's going to go ahead and allow president obama to raise taxes to 39.6%, and i think that'll take the edge off the fiscal cliff. david: let's take this discussion out of the beltway and into the real world. the economy, and, jeff, i want to start with you because you're bullish, but if you're so bullish, hy are you downgrading housing right now? >> because our housing team made a really good call on the housing stocks, and they outran their valuations on a short to intermediate-term basis. they downgraded them about two months ago. liz: okay, so where's the money? show it to us. >> i like just about everything except consumer staples. i think industrials look good, i think they are the new consumer staples. i think that consumer staples are the new investment vehicles of utility investors -- liz: and you like american tower
cantor is worried -- excuse me, not cantor, boehner is worried about not being reelected as speaker of the house. they can't vote on that until january 4th with the new congress on that. cantor wants that job. so i think boehner's going to press for a deal, i think he's going to go ahead and allow president obama to raise taxes to 39.6%, and i think that'll take the edge off the fiscal cliff. david: let's take this discussion out of the beltway and into the real world. the economy, and, jeff, i...
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. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner is a little more old school in that. he came to congress in 1990. he was sort of a reformer and teamed up with democrats, he was more pragmatic and climbed into the leadership and fell out and climbed back in. he was next in line for the leadership when the tea party thing happen. the story of his speakership is the tea party conservatives are waiting for the minute he sells them out. he hasn't sold them out yet. >> it's like the tail wagging the dog. >> he doesn't exercise any p power. this is a test this month. he's waiting this out and looking to have enough cred
. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner...
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we'll look at the problems inside his own party, for speaker boehner. it's friday. that means the lightning round with the panel. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> bob: kay. there is music for you. on december 3 last year, 16-year-old tyler alfred from oklahoma was driving under the influence and crashed his pickup truck killing his passenger and friend 16-year-old john luke. he pleaded guilty to first degree man slaughter in august. in the muskogee county -- it's oklahoma, district judge mike norman he sided not to give him -- decided not to give him jail time. but order to attend church regularly for ten years. i have several thoughts but let you start. eric, what do you think? >> eric: this is tough. blood alcohol is .6 or .7. double the legal limit. there are other issues. not just attend church. he has to graduate high school and graduate welding school and testing going forward. on the other hand he is 17-year-old? yeah. 17 years old. i have a problem with this. 17-year-old now is kind of a
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come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday it was a nice meeting, it was cordial but we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make, where are the presidents spending cuts? >> stephen: now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics in into the republican proposal but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant mad-lib. for instance, we agree to cut ten be zillion from the program that gives ukuleles to the sticky poor. toilet boom! (cheers and applause) we will have more on this story -- if i have to. (laughter) nation, there's a danger lurking around every corner. that's why i say we must start making all of our buildings round. (laughter) this is the threat down. (cheers and applause) first up, folks, i always keep watch on our international enemies, especially north korea. and their dear leader kim jong-un. in my book he is public enemy number un. (laughter)
come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday it was a nice meeting, it was cordial but we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make, where are the presidents spending cuts? >> stephen: now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics in into the republican proposal but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant...
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but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter. and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans, too, get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their
but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter....
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boehner raised the question. some of the things that the president was asking for i couldn't get through the house anyway. if he can make a deal with the president and it is still painful, even if it's not $1.4 trillion in new revenue can he get it through the house? how much danger is he in for losing the speakership if he doesn't stand firm enough on the president? >> he could be in fair bit of danger here. the question is, if he is willing to get something through the house without a majority of the caucus for. this hastert rule. speaker hastert would never bring something through unless majority of republicans to support it. >> chris: majority of the majority. >> so of course his speakership could be threatened here. one side story of this at least in washington is the majority leader. cantor has been not as front and center in the negotiations at all. is he waiting in the wings to help things out, waiting in the wings to be there if speaker boehner falls? that is an intrigue here. speaker boehner is committe
boehner raised the question. some of the things that the president was asking for i couldn't get through the house anyway. if he can make a deal with the president and it is still painful, even if it's not $1.4 trillion in new revenue can he get it through the house? how much danger is he in for losing the speakership if he doesn't stand firm enough on the president? >> he could be in fair bit of danger here. the question is, if he is willing to get something through the house without a...
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seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like we're closer and closer to a deal where rates rise. so conservative republicans will be asked to raise rates, something that's been anath ma to the party and the far right wing. and then you guys are reporting over at politico the next battle is going to be immigration reform. where they're likely to be asked to support what many of them would have sort of offensively and wrongly called amnesty for illegals. isn't there a revolt on the right in the house republican caucus in particular? >> i certainly think that there is possibly some carryover effect of one issue to the next, particularly if the right fe
seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like...
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that's why most lawmakers are not boxing boehner in. would you go for that? >> i think we have to look at the whole package and as i've said, let's leave everything out here. >> reporter: now, boehner said publicly he is still optimistic about getting a deal done but privately in that meeting with house republicans today, several lawmakers came out and told us that the speaker told them not to make any plans for christmas. wolf? >> does that mean all 435 members of the house, 100 senators are going to be told to stay here during that christmas week leading up to new year's? >> reporter: it is entirely possible. what leaders have done in the past, even as recently as last week, is sent home rank and file members while the leaders stayed and negotiated. but as we get closer to the holidays, it's entirely possible, even maybe probable that they will keep everybody here in case they actually do get a bill and they will be able to pass it fast. we know that when things move, they actually move very quickly and en there's a will to get out of here, particularly as
that's why most lawmakers are not boxing boehner in. would you go for that? >> i think we have to look at the whole package and as i've said, let's leave everything out here. >> reporter: now, boehner said publicly he is still optimistic about getting a deal done but privately in that meeting with house republicans today, several lawmakers came out and told us that the speaker told them not to make any plans for christmas. wolf? >> does that mean all 435 members of the house,...
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they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no -- there's no alternative. >> bob, you, yesterday, shadowed grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in front of the house conference and he said, i'm not go
they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no --...
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i applaud like charlie gasperino barack obama's success, john boehner's success, came in humble beginnings, but neither one of us are doing us a favor. neither one of them are deserving of hero worship in a country falling apart. >> i didn't think we should be hero worshipping the president, what i said he's an admirable man that did great things. >> sure, absolutely. >> in this country. i don't agree with his agenda. >> you argue that we haven't lost, to dagen's point we have it in us, but we haven't shown it? >> the lawmakers in washington don't, they're a bunch of gutless weasels who don't-- >> that language there. >> furthermore it's not productive language. >> well, they're not productive, and criticizing me for calling them gutless when that's exactly what they are. >> i'm trying to draw a distinction between-- >> come on. the gutless weasels on the one hand and not doing a good enough job on the other hand, let's cheer them on and say we honor your service, now, do a better job. >> yeah i got cheered when i didn't unload the dishwasher when i was a kid instead sent to the corner and
i applaud like charlie gasperino barack obama's success, john boehner's success, came in humble beginnings, but neither one of us are doing us a favor. neither one of them are deserving of hero worship in a country falling apart. >> i didn't think we should be hero worshipping the president, what i said he's an admirable man that did great things. >> sure, absolutely. >> in this country. i don't agree with his agenda. >> you argue that we haven't lost, to dagen's point...
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boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within the republican conference could have, is now aligned with wehner completely. strengths his hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmak
boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within...
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aids say john boehner has sent president obama a new counter offer tonight. it's apparently a response to an offer the white house made yesterday. that was one day after the president and the speaker met one on one at the white house. of course three weeks from today automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in if they can't come to deal. jim angle is following late developments from our washington newsroom. there have been a lot of them in just the last 30 minutes. >> i will say, shep. the clock, of course, as you indicated is clicking louder. not clear if we had real progress or just movement. president and speaker boehner did talk by phone tonight after white house offer monday and counter offer from boehner about which his office said quote we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our loom being debt crisis and create more miner jobs. the statement also reit raided, however, what speaker boehner and others said earlier today. listen. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spends c
aids say john boehner has sent president obama a new counter offer tonight. it's apparently a response to an offer the white house made yesterday. that was one day after the president and the speaker met one on one at the white house. of course three weeks from today automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in if they can't come to deal. jim angle is following late developments from our washington newsroom. there have been a lot of them in just the last 30 minutes. >> i will say, shep....
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. >> then it looks like a win for boehner. that's -- i see that as his way not to lose his job and not to have all those republicans who, by the way, really don't like him being in the room alone. he becomes, you know, more of a collaborationist in that room alone with obama. >> they would prefer certain members of the republican party would like to see these televised, these negotiations televised on c-span. john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership. it's me and you. >> seconds and thirds in there have cantor in there and mccarthy in there, some other people. >> i'm sure cantor would like to be in there. >> yes. >> michael steele, the other thing -- the other sort of pieces of leverage here, if they exist for the republican party, are continuing unemployment insurance. 2.1 million long-term unemployed americans will lose benefits at the end much the year. another million will lose benefits in the next three months if we do nothing. the republicans have sort of said we're going to hold this stuff.
. >> then it looks like a win for boehner. that's -- i see that as his way not to lose his job and not to have all those republicans who, by the way, really don't like him being in the room alone. he becomes, you know, more of a collaborationist in that room alone with obama. >> they would prefer certain members of the republican party would like to see these televised, these negotiations televised on c-span. john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership....
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youjohn boehner in the briefing room has a chart. in boehner's words as we've been given excerpts by his staff is spending. the problem is entitlements. that is what's driving the debt. you see that large red portion of that chart that boehner is about to use. you know, the question is, will he have the votes to pass whatever it is he puts on the floor, thomas? and there's an ironclad rule in the house of representatives. and that is, a speaker does not put something on the floor that is not going to pass with the majority of his congress, in this case, republicans, and anything with tax hikes on it as the president is insisting on, whether that gets on the floor or republicans, that's highly questionable. >> is foster friess giving you a little ankle there? >> foster friess, that's a name from the past. >> kristen, let's talk about what the president is able to acquiesce about spending cuts? this about compromise or total victory? >> i think to some extent it's about compromise. but there is no doubt that president obama believes he
youjohn boehner in the briefing room has a chart. in boehner's words as we've been given excerpts by his staff is spending. the problem is entitlements. that is what's driving the debt. you see that large red portion of that chart that boehner is about to use. you know, the question is, will he have the votes to pass whatever it is he puts on the floor, thomas? and there's an ironclad rule in the house of representatives. and that is, a speaker does not put something on the floor that is not...
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recently called for john boehner's overthrow by other conservatives in the house. more unink hadded jim demint without having to worry about being a senator is incredibly paralyzing for the republican party. jon: he says he fields he can wield more influence as head of the heritage foundation as he can as a united states senator. here's what he told our bret baier. >> i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. i wouldn't feel good about leaving if we didn't have so many new bright young conservatives now in the senate but it's time that conservatives take control of our message and let americans know what we can do to make their lives better. republicans hadn't done that good of a job as a party doing that. jon: he spoke about conservatives, monica, not necessarily republicans. he seemed to be aiming his ire at both parties but republican as well. >> as well he should because the republican establishment for many decades, but now even more recently on the fiscal cliff, they seem to be willing to go down that road of big government,
recently called for john boehner's overthrow by other conservatives in the house. more unink hadded jim demint without having to worry about being a senator is incredibly paralyzing for the republican party. jon: he says he fields he can wield more influence as head of the heritage foundation as he can as a united states senator. here's what he told our bret baier. >> i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. i wouldn't feel good about leaving if we...
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this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in unfunded highbilities those are promises that are made that we have to keep. >> guys, this is part of what is interesting about this conversation. when you hear the speaker talking about the loop holes that is the same rhetoric that we heard from mit romney. >> they are using the stuff that is done in the budget control last year. >> those are terrible talking points. >> let me say this point. >> hang on a second. i want to go to guy benson on another point. there is a lot of talk that the republicans might have a doom's day scenario. if there is a budget stalemate, then the republicans will allow a vote on the house floor which is the democrats from the sen e senate. they wi
this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in unfunded highbilities those are promises that are made that we have to keep. >> guys, this is part of what...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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. >> speaker boehner can't ignore the american people forever. at some point, reality should set in. the only question is how much financial stress middle class families and our entire economy will have to endure during this process. >> is this any way to solve the biggest threat to the economy since lehman brothers? "fast money" starts right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. back from the brink. from b of a to yahoo! stocks, are suddenly the comeback kids of the fourth quarter. we're separating winners from losers. >>> plus, sell signal. if insiders are heading for the exits, should you be, too? >>> and we're talking real estate and the fiscal cliff with dolly lens. but first, let's get straight to our top story, and that is the haggling in washington, d.c. president obama's meeting with house speaker john boehner this hour. john, what should we expect? >> we expect the meeting to last something less than an hour between the speaker and the president of the united states. a republican lea
. >> speaker boehner can't ignore the american people forever. at some point, reality should set in. the only question is how much financial stress middle class families and our entire economy will have to endure during this process. >> is this any way to solve the biggest threat to the economy since lehman brothers? "fast money" starts right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. back from the brink. from b of...
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on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier. good afternoon. >> thanks for having me on. >> great to have you ron. you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan, jeb hensarling, and tom price. mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and tired of speaker boehner? >> well, there's really two big reasons and they happened in the last two weeks that really have been the nail in the coffin. one is the tax hikes. he's proposed basically to raise taxes on charities and job creators and he thinks that that's where his starting point is with president obama. >> hold on a second. let's be factual. i think what he said was that he was open to $800 billion in revenues but he did not specify the deductions. >> the only way you could get $800 billion in deductions is to go after the charitable deduction and
on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier. good afternoon. >> thanks for having me on. >> great to have you ron. you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan, jeb hensarling, and tom price. mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and...
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senator mitchell, you more or less have been in john boehner's shoes. you were a congressional leader hammering out a tax and spending cut deal with the president of the opposing party. how is what we're seeing now different than what you experienced two decades ago? >> it's similar in terms of the issues, the positions of the parties have been that way for a long time. it's different in several respects. first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge. president bush the first, as you'll recall, made a very famous no tax pledge which he eventually backed off of. in this case, it's the congress. the republicans of the congress specifically, who have made the tax pledge, and the president who is trying to get them to break it. secondly, the numbers are very much reflecting the passage of time. we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the deficit was going to be about $150 billion. that shocked everyone into action. then, unlike now, there remains some degree of bipartisanship. there was comity,
senator mitchell, you more or less have been in john boehner's shoes. you were a congressional leader hammering out a tax and spending cut deal with the president of the opposing party. how is what we're seeing now different than what you experienced two decades ago? >> it's similar in terms of the issues, the positions of the parties have been that way for a long time. it's different in several respects. first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge....
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he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let me bring in the "news nation" political panel. neimalik henderson and goodfreend and contributor michael smerkonish. you the people, you talk to folks all day long on the radio show that you have that's syndicated in cities and states. what do you make of the president picking up where he left off so often going straight to the folks at snoem. >> he is really mained a full court press that began in the campaign season and never ended after election day and i think that two-prong attack you reference is good politics and seems to be working in l
he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let...
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speaker boehner is facing growing backlash from the more conservative wing of his party. at issue, the $800 billion in new tax revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather than an actual increase in the top end tax rate? well, i t
speaker boehner is facing growing backlash from the more conservative wing of his party. at issue, the $800 billion in new tax revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch...
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maybe the democrats ought to tell john boehner, you know what? 39.6% looks pretty good right now, because after the first of the year we're going for 42%. make boehner come to the table, and make him come squealing to the table saying you can't go to 42%. oh, yes we can, because there is enough progressives in the house that would band together and say you know what? we need to go beyond, because we've got some real fiscal problems in this country. and we can go to the wealthiest americans and get a hell of a lot more than the old rates under bill clinton. why not go to 42%? why not go to 45% for people who make over $10 million a year? i mean, do we really want to solve this? do we really want sacrifice? or do we just want to take our toe and put it in the lake and see if it's still cold out? come on, folks. these lawmakers in washington need some pressure put on them. we need to go higher than 39.6%. we need to go to at least 42% for the wealthiest americans making over a million dollars a year and tell bain their is the way it's going to be, o
maybe the democrats ought to tell john boehner, you know what? 39.6% looks pretty good right now, because after the first of the year we're going for 42%. make boehner come to the table, and make him come squealing to the table saying you can't go to 42%. oh, yes we can, because there is enough progressives in the house that would band together and say you know what? we need to go beyond, because we've got some real fiscal problems in this country. and we can go to the wealthiest americans and...
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boehner will have to cut a deal that raises taxes. their idea of fiscal conservatism, for two decades, has only been about taxes. meanwhile, under current sentiment, underneath him, why don't you finally go after spending. those tea party people will be completely hostile to whatever deal comes up. connell: the reason he is speaker of the house is because of those tea party. the same group that may, if you are right though i drive him out of town. >> he has been systematically pushing tea party people out of committees in order to get his conference more in line. connell: he better kind of followed the line here. >> that is how you organize and discipline. it will hurt the economy without solving the problem. connell: is he supposed to -- that would be characterized as a "grand bargain." if you are right, his job is literally on the line. >> there isn't much of an option. he has not been talking about that. there is no intellectual foundation for math. if it gets tough, he gets blamed. he is going to come up with a lousy deal of some
boehner will have to cut a deal that raises taxes. their idea of fiscal conservatism, for two decades, has only been about taxes. meanwhile, under current sentiment, underneath him, why don't you finally go after spending. those tea party people will be completely hostile to whatever deal comes up. connell: the reason he is speaker of the house is because of those tea party. the same group that may, if you are right though i drive him out of town. >> he has been systematically pushing tea...
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but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together. >> lower the rats. i'm not sure where the democrats are. th they have not offered the plan. >> they keep the bush tax rates. the top two percent let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible to me we're already talking about it. it runs the government for five or six days. >> but at the beginning, every billionaire winds up being real money. >> but the president has known about this so-called cliff for over a year. and it's yet to present a plan that reduces our deficit. i'm willing to work with anyone who's willing to put a plan on the table. but our party, or anyone, should not
but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax...
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he was willing to do that in negotiations with boehner in 2011. he's willing to even think about raising the age of eligibility for medicare. he was willing, if the republicans would have played on obamacare, to give them malpractice reform. >> he's not leading on it. >> well, i mean, you know, he's no, on it. and i think that every time the president makes an initial proposal, republicans squeal and say it's of-- it's negotiating. and i think that negotiation is going on now. and if they're smart-- i know this is a real leap if of when it comes to this congress-- if they're smart, they'll get it done in the next week. >> schieffer: major, all the problems are not here at home. there are pretty big ones building overseas. this whole syria mess. ones where this thing is going. what's the latest on that. >> the feeling in the administration is they're gathering intelligence information on an hourly basis to try to figure out what's happening to the stockpiles of chemical weapons. with they being mixed, moved, is there anything of dire immediate cons
he was willing to do that in negotiations with boehner in 2011. he's willing to even think about raising the age of eligibility for medicare. he was willing, if the republicans would have played on obamacare, to give them malpractice reform. >> he's not leading on it. >> well, i mean, you know, he's no, on it. and i think that every time the president makes an initial proposal, republicans squeal and say it's of-- it's negotiating. and i think that negotiation is going on now. and...
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we had a meeting with harry reid and speaker john boehner. the executive board message was as you are dealing with tough decisions that have to be made, to make sure that we don't over the fiscal cliff, don't shift the burden downward. we understand that there is a shared sacrifice. we ask for flexibility when it comes to programs that are funded by the federal government and federal monies. we need flex ability to be able to determine what is in the best interest of our state. how we can best serve the population. gerri: the truth is the states only have so much flex ability because you have to meet your budget. the federal government doesn't. but i want to show who is in washington. it was scott walker, gary herbert, mark dayton, jack markell. all the leadership of the governors association. what kind of response did you get? we are not passing anything onto you guys. >> the president was very cordial and respectful to the governors. and we believe that we have a stake in this process, and he felt like we could offer some ideas of ways that
we had a meeting with harry reid and speaker john boehner. the executive board message was as you are dealing with tough decisions that have to be made, to make sure that we don't over the fiscal cliff, don't shift the burden downward. we understand that there is a shared sacrifice. we ask for flexibility when it comes to programs that are funded by the federal government and federal monies. we need flex ability to be able to determine what is in the best interest of our state. how we can best...
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>>reporter: the president and speaker boehner spoke on the telephone phone and speaker boehner would not call it "tense" but said it was straight failure frank discussion of how far apart they are. >> the president is calling if $1.4 trillion in revenue. that cannot pass the house of representatives or the senate. if you look at our budget we have in new revenue in our budget. the president's budget, he had $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in the budget. >>reporter: the republicans have offered $800 billion in revenue half of what the president wanted but they want to raise it by phasing our tax deductions and closing out loopholes which white house officials say cannot raise enough without hurting the middle class. >>shepard: thank you, wendell. north korea's daring rocket lunch prompted quick reaction from the united states and a lot of allies and they promised an "appropriate response." what would that be? what options does the united states have in dealing with the most rogue nation on the planet? going rogue, live from the state department. >> we could have a political showdow
>>reporter: the president and speaker boehner spoke on the telephone phone and speaker boehner would not call it "tense" but said it was straight failure frank discussion of how far apart they are. >> the president is calling if $1.4 trillion in revenue. that cannot pass the house of representatives or the senate. if you look at our budget we have in new revenue in our budget. the president's budget, he had $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in the budget....
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>> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise as far as taxes are concerned? >> how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together to lower the rates. >> give me an example? >> i'm not sure where the democrats are because they have not offered a plan. >> their plan is to keep the bush tax rates from 2001, 2003 forever. make them permanent. top 2% let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible we're even talking about it because it doesn't solve the problem. >> it's a beginning. >> it runs the government for five or six days. >> but it's a beginning. a billion here, a billion there winds up being
>> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you...
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boehner and reid in washington. do you think that's having any impact on the type of people who buy your products? >> you know, i think any time when there's a lot of talk about what the future may hold for government, for taxation, for financing, that's going to give some people some trepidation about spending. if there's word about the fact that you are going to have higher taxes come the new year, won't have as much to spend, maybe you hold back a little bit. what we like about our business is, it's a relatively low barriers to entry. consumers can buy the luxury of our beauty for $17, $18, $25, $30. this is not a huge investment. and so we're finding a lot of consumers are finding their way into beauty because they don't want to spend $1,000, $2,000 or $3,000 on very luxurious, larger items like a handbag or a new car, for example. so beauty has its frequency shoppers. but that being said, overall, if the consumer is not certain she has the disposal income, perhaps she holds back a little bit. >> sir, one of my
boehner and reid in washington. do you think that's having any impact on the type of people who buy your products? >> you know, i think any time when there's a lot of talk about what the future may hold for government, for taxation, for financing, that's going to give some people some trepidation about spending. if there's word about the fact that you are going to have higher taxes come the new year, won't have as much to spend, maybe you hold back a little bit. what we like about our...
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boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment dropped 43%. and revenues doubled. >> that's not the issue. >> yes, it is. >> that's not john boehner's issue. john boehner didn't lose the presidency, my friend. and don't forget that. and by the way, conservatives did not win the presidency and conservatives did not win the senate. it was a lousy year. and you have to deal with that. and let me add one thing. i am a flat tax supply sider and i worked for ronald reagan. reagan compromised. he compromised in 1982 over a lousy deal which he regretted. he compromised in 1983 over a very good social security fix. and then he compromised again in 1986 over a very good
boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment...
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i've known john boehner for 21 years. he recognizes that the republicans also running for re-election said to their constituents "we will not raise your taxes. we will not do anything in this economic recession to make things worse "." raising the top two rates is going to hit the job creators and i think what john boehner has said, he said this the day after the election, governor, he said we recognize that the elections have consequences, the president won. republicans are willing to give the president most of what he wants, $800 billion somewhere around a trillion of additional revenue. how do we get there. the president wants to increase tax on the wealthy. republicans want to close loopholes. i think we're a lot closer than the president and congressional republicans would lead you to believe. it is a question of how do we get there. >> jennifer: don't you think ron, if they close loopholes now, then they're not going to be able to lower the corporate tax rate -- it depends on which loopholes you close whether person
i've known john boehner for 21 years. he recognizes that the republicans also running for re-election said to their constituents "we will not raise your taxes. we will not do anything in this economic recession to make things worse "." raising the top two rates is going to hit the job creators and i think what john boehner has said, he said this the day after the election, governor, he said we recognize that the elections have consequences, the president won. republicans are...
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ounce of compassion this christmas seen save it for boehner. the president treats him as if he has him over a barrel heading toward the fiscal cliff. he is trying to head this off by bargaining with the president to keep the tax rates where they are now and provide revenue for rich people. in exchange mr. boehner wants the president to agree to serious reform to tax reform the biggest driver of the nation's debt. he wants to hire tax revenue and taxes on the rich. he has speak ennothing of entitlement. unreasonable? you bet. on top of it boehner is on attack for being a weak negotiator from the right. he is not a weak negotiator. he has a weak hand. >>> kelly wright is live in washington. hi, kelly. >> good morning to you ainsley. someone would hope so. three weeks from now americans will be celebrating a brand new year but it may be a year unof uncertainty if the white house fail to take action to avert the fiscal crisis or the cliff. president obama tock his message on the road speaking to auto workers to talk about the plan to cut taxes that
ounce of compassion this christmas seen save it for boehner. the president treats him as if he has him over a barrel heading toward the fiscal cliff. he is trying to head this off by bargaining with the president to keep the tax rates where they are now and provide revenue for rich people. in exchange mr. boehner wants the president to agree to serious reform to tax reform the biggest driver of the nation's debt. he wants to hire tax revenue and taxes on the rich. he has speak ennothing of...
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. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a
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how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a fundamental divide here. the president says rates have to go up. he doesn't want to trade the debt ceiling for anything. he thinks that should be separate. and boehner put out a proposal saying we'll raise invest knews but we're going to lower rates. won't specify, as you noted earlier. there seems to be in the staff level at least not much progress, any progress, being made. i have to believe the fundamental dynamic is still the same, that boehner is going to have a hard time convincing more than half of his caucus, even half of his caucus, to support something that really gives the president a lot in terms of revenue cuts and doesn't
how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a...
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boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated some demands. the president say s tax rates fr the wealthy have to rise but now word that the actual rate could be negotiable. maybe not all the way back to 39.6%. >> will i accept a tax increase as a deal to solve problems? yes. >> reporter: those problem, according to republican, entitlement. and today, a leading democrat embraced the way to cut medicare cuts. means testing. those who make more would have to pay more for medicare. >> those of us with higher income in retirement should pay more. that could be part of a solution. >> reporter: the speaker feeling the heat from his rig
boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated...
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jim demint a tea party leader said speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. disagreements among republicans and democrats here on capitol hill is nothing new, but tuesday a republican aide told us the two sides aren't even talking. not surprisingly the white house disagrees. >> i can guarantee you conversations continue at different levels. and among different groups. >> reporter: both parties are ready to play the blame game in case negotiations fail. >> there's only one person out of 370 million americans who can sign something into law and that's the president. >> 60% of americans are asking the wealthy to pay more. >> reporter: a "the washington post" poll say 53% of americans will blame republicans and 29% would hold the president responsible if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff. the two sides appear close to an agreement on little things. it could lead to higher airline ticket prices and no more mail delivery on saturday. >> oh, boy. susan mcginnis in washington this morning. susan, thank you s
jim demint a tea party leader said speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. disagreements among republicans and democrats here on capitol hill is nothing new, but tuesday a republican aide told us the two sides aren't even talking. not surprisingly the white house disagrees. >> i can guarantee you conversations continue at different levels. and among different groups. >> reporter: both parties are...